CNA Monetary Company (NYSE:CNA) Q2 2023 Earnings Convention Name July 31, 2023 9:00 AM ET
Firm Contributors
Ralitza Todorova – Assistant Vice President, Investor Relations
Dino Robusto – Chairman and Chief Government Officer
Scott Lindquist – Chief Monetary Officer
Convention Name Contributors
Meyer Shields – KBW
Kyle LaBarre – Dowling & Companions
Operator
Women and gents, good day, and welcome to the CNA Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Convention Name. All individuals shall be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, in the present day’s convention is being recorded.
I’d now like to show the decision over to Ralitza Todorova, AVP, Investor Relations for opening remarks and introductions of in the present day’s audio system. Please go forward.
Ralitza Todorova
Thanks, Rocco. Good morning, and welcome to CNA’s dialogue of our second quarter 2023 monetary outcomes. Our second quarter earnings press launch, presentation, and monetary complement had been launched this morning and can be found on the Investor Relations part of our web site www.cna.com.
Talking in the present day shall be Dino Robusto, Chairman and Chief Government Officer; and Scott Lindquist, Chief Monetary Officer. Following their ready remarks, we’ll open the road for questions.
Right this moment’s name might embrace forward-looking statements and references to non-GAAP monetary measures. Any forward-looking statements contain dangers and uncertainties which will trigger precise outcomes to vary materially from the statements made in the course of the name. Info regarding these dangers is contained within the earnings press launch and in CNA’s most up-to-date SEC filings. As well as, the forward-looking statements communicate solely as of in the present day, Monday, July thirty first, 2023. CNA expressly disclaims any obligation to replace or revise any forward-looking statements made throughout this name.
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With that, I’ll flip the decision over to our Chairman and CEO, Dino Robusto.
Dino Robusto
Thanks, Ralitza, and good morning all.
Within the second quarter, CNA as soon as once more produced very sturdy outcomes with glorious profitability and double-digit topline progress from continued sturdy renewal change, retention and new enterprise success. Core revenue elevated by 34% within the second quarter, in comparison with final yr with internet funding revenue, up 33% with sturdy revenue progress in our alternate options portfolio and a continued tailwind in our fixed-income portfolio. Scott will present extra element on investments.
The P&C all-in mixed ratio was sturdy at 93.8% with pretax disaster losses of $68 million extra 3.1 factors of the mixed ratio and 0.4 factors of favorable prior-period growth. The underlying mixed ratio was 91.1%, producing a report $200 million of pre-tax, P&C underlying underwriting acquire. The underlying loss ratio was 59.9% barely lower than the identical interval final yr and the expense ratio was 30.9%, up four-tenths of a degree, in comparison with final yr, primarily attributable to increased pension expense.
Within the quarter, we achieved a really sturdy manufacturing efficiency with 12% progress in gross written premiums ex-captives and 9% progress in internet written premium. Excluding foreign money fluctuation, gross progress was 12% and internet progress was 10% led by our industrial and worldwide segments this quarter. Renewal premium change was steady at 7%, however accelerated 2 factors in industrial to 11%. Importantly, charge change and the portion of publicity change that acts like charge continues to cowl our long-run loss value developments which had been unchanged at this quarter at roughly 6.5%.
New enterprise was up 11% within the quarter in-line with the expansion within the first quarter and with essentially the most vital alternatives persevering with to be throughout our industrial enterprise models. We proceed to intently monitor, the energy of our pricing on new and renewal enterprise and that has remained constant as have the stronger phrases and situations achieved in the course of the exhausting market years.
We proceed to lock within the exhausting market enhancements in pricing and phrases and situations with persistently excessive retention ranges, which within the second quarter for P&C general was 86%. And it has been at that degree for 5 straight quarters.
Turning to our three enterprise models. The all-in mixed ratio was 90.9% for specialty this quarter, which incorporates 0.3 factors of favorable prior-period growth. The underlying mixed ratio was 91.2% with an underlying loss ratio of 58.6%, which is steady, in comparison with final yr. Nicely, the expense ratio in specialty was up by 2 factors to 32.4%. The rise within the expense ratio is partially as a result of decrease internet earned premium progress. And as typical, Scott will present extra element on bills.
Gross written premiums ex-captives progress and internet written premium progress for specialty had been every down minus 1% this quarter. New enterprise was down 9%. Whereas a lot of the lower was pushed by the protracted decline in M&A alternatives affecting our transaction legal responsibility e book, we’re additionally being prudent in administration legal responsibility traces given the aggressive panorama.
Inside Specialty, written charge change was minus 1% within the quarter, pushed by continued aggressive strain on administration legal responsibility [Technical Difficulty]. Cumulative charge motion throughout these traces since mid-2018 by way of the exhausting market years and inclusive of the declines within the first-half of 2023 is plus 61%, which continues to favorably affect the general sturdy profitability of the portfolio.
Within the different specialty phase, charge will increase persists. Our Affinity Applications have a lot much less pricing volatility time beyond regulation and proceed to provide steady charge will increase within the low to mid-single-digits. Our healthcare enterprise has undergone large re-underwriting along with vital enchancment in pricing, in addition to phrases and situations that we pushed by way of the portfolio over the past 5 years. We highlighted these adjustments fairly recurrently on prior calls and identified that our healthcare portfolio is now smaller, however worthwhile.
In fact, we stay vigilant in pursuing extra charge will increase. And within the second quarter, charges had been up mid-single-digit for healthcare. Retention in specialty stays sturdy bettering by 1 level to 89% within the combination, and is up in every of the three enterprise areas.
Turning to Industrial. The all-in mixed ratio was 96.3%, which incorporates 5.2 factors of cat loss within the second quarter. The underlying mixed ratio was 91.6%, 0.4 factors decrease than final yr and the bottom on report. The underlying loss ratio of 61.5% was steady year-over-year. The expense ratio improved four-tenths of a degree to 29.6% within the quarter, representing the bottom quarterly expense ratio in 15-years.
Gross written premium ex-captives grew by 21% this quarter and internet written premium grew by 17% this quarter. Renewal premium change was 11% within the quarter, up 2 factors from the primary quarter and is near the exhausting market excessive of 12% we achieved in early 2021. Excluding work comp, the renewal premium change was plus 13% within the second quarter really much like the excessive watermark we achieved early 2021.
The industrial written charge change within the second quarter of plus 8% continues to speed up and displays double the extent it was within the third quarter of final yr. Industrial charge will increase excluding work comp had been up plus 10% within the second quarter. Importantly, the rise within the charge change was broad-based throughout enterprise models and line of enterprise.
In center market, charge was plus 6% and renewal premium change was plus 8%, every up 2 factors from final quarter. Development charge was plus 6%, up 1 level from final quarter and renewal premium change was plus 10%. In Nationwide Accounts, charge was plus 20%, in comparison with plus 17% final quarter. Trying by line, industrial auto charges had been low-double-digit within the quarter, 2 factors increased than the final quarter.
Charges for extra casualty have additionally accelerated over the previous yr and are actually high-single-digits. Main legal responsibility charges are up within the mid-single digits, additionally representing a rise from final quarter. We consider it’s rational that charges in casualty traces inflected and proceed to extend since bottoming out within the third quarter of 2022, as a result of as we have now mentioned, social inflation had solely been obfuscated in the course of the pandemic. And though loss value developments remained primarily steady within the second quarter, it’s an annual compounding value and it is applicable that charges enhance for longer.
Work comp charges proceed to be flat to barely detrimental, however renewal value change stays fairly sturdy, about mid-single-digit as we’re benefiting from publicity will increase as payrolls rise, and medical developments proceed to be beneath our long-run loss value development assumptions, which we have now not lowered regardless of the favorable developments over the past a number of years.
Property continued to attain vital charge will increase this quarter. In our nationwide accounts space, property charges are up within the 25% to 30% vary. As well as, we proceed to attain will increase in valuation averaging mid-single-digit and non-rate phrases and situations additionally stay sturdy. In our center market house, property charges are actually low-double-digits, up 4 factors from final quarter, and we proceed to see insurance coverage worth will increase right here as nicely.
We renewed all of our property reinsurance treaties June 1st. We had been profitable in sustaining all coverages and lined payrolls in all our treaties and layers. There have been very minimal will increase in attachment factors. On our company cat treaty, the attachment elevated rather less than $50 million, however stays nonetheless decrease than the $250 million it had been traditionally.
Whereas prices elevated general as anticipated, the will increase had been in step with our good efficiency and prudent administration of our cat publicity over the past a number of years. And with a really favorable value and valuation will increase, we anticipate to proceed to attain throughout our property portfolio, we do not anticipate margins to be impacted. Industrial retention remained sturdy at 85% and was sturdy in all enterprise models.
New enterprise was up 23%, with glorious alternatives unfold throughout all our industrial enterprise models. We’ve got been successfully leveraging the favorable property market situations and rising our property portfolio with out considerably growing our P&L. Whereas we’re writing cat and non-cat property new enterprise, we’re additionally optimizing our renewal e book by altering layers and exposures resulting in a greater risk-adjusted returns than we had at expiry on sure renewals.
And we’re additionally letting accounts go the place we will not obtain the improved pricing and phrases and situations accessible in the present day. We additionally noticed some nice alternatives within the E&S channel for Nationwide Accounts. Now it is nonetheless a comparatively small portfolio, however offering glorious alternatives.
For worldwide, the all-in mixed ratio was 92.2%, and the underlying mixed ratio was 89.1%, a report low. Worldwide had sturdy high line progress this quarter with gross written premiums up 10% or 12%, excluding foreign money fluctuation. Internet written premiums grew 9% or 10%, excluding foreign money fluctuation. Renewal premium change was 7% with written charge change of 4%, per final quarter.
We see many analogous developments to the U.S. in our Continental European and London portfolios with persevering with hardening of property charges and charge decreases on administration legal responsibility lessons. Retention was sturdy in worldwide at 83% for the quarter and has been steady at this increased degree for greater than a yr. New enterprise was up by 5% within the quarter. Our worldwide operation continues to contribute constructive high and backside line outcomes to CNA.
And with that, I will flip it over to Scott.
Scott Lindquist
Thanks, Dino, and good morning, everybody. I’ll present some extra data on our outcomes, as Dino indicated.
Core revenue of $308 million is up 34%, in comparison with the second quarter of final yr, resulting in a core return on fairness of 10.2%, whereas our P&C phase had report pretax underlying underwriting revenue of $200 million, and core revenue of $374 million.
Our second quarter P&C expense ratio was 30.9%, which is a slight enhance when in comparison with final yr’s second quarter expense ratio of 30.5%, attributable to increased legacy U.S. pension plan expense, reflecting monetary market situations on the time of valuation in late 2022. On the phase degree, each Industrial and Worldwide noticed enhancements of their expense ratios, in comparison with prior primarily pushed by sturdy progress in internet earned premium.
For Specialty, as Dino simply famous, the expense ratio elevated attributable to decrease internet earned premium progress, increased employee-related prices, together with increased pension expense, in addition to increased acquisition expense, partially attributable to mixture of enterprise within the quarter. As I’ve famous in prior calls, there shall be a certain quantity of variability quarter-to-quarter. Nonetheless, we proceed to consider an expense ratio of 31% is an affordable run charge for 2023.
The P&C internet prior interval growth affect on the mixed ratio was favorable by 0.4 factors. Within the Specialty phase, favorable growth was pushed by surety. And within the industrial phase, favorable growth in employees’ compensation was partially offset by unfavorable growth normally legal responsibility in auto.
The P&C paid-to-incurred ratio was 0.83 within the second quarter, which is about flat with the primary quarter of this yr and is broadly per the second quarter of 2022. The ratio, which fluctuates quarter-to-quarter has been persistently decrease over the previous three years.
Our Company phase produced a core lack of $46 million within the second quarter, in comparison with a $78 million loss within the prior yr quarter. We conduct a complete overview of mass tort reserves within the second quarter of every yr, and we additionally react to info and circumstances within the interim quarters. Because of this quarter’s overview, the phase features a $28 million after-tax cost associated to unfavorable prior interval growth largely related to legacy mass tort claims. As a reminder, our asbestos and environmental reserves are reviewed each fourth quarter.
As to Life & Group second quarter outcomes, we had a core lack of $20 million, as in comparison with a $9 million core loss for final yr’s second quarter. Funding revenue was up $28 million pretax, in comparison with the prior yr, principally pushed by restricted partnership efficiency, whereas the underwriting loss displays a $13 million pretax loss associated to the affect of $67 million of money coverage buyouts in the course of the quarter.
For year-to-date, Life & Group core loss was $23 million, in comparison with a core lack of $4 million within the prior year-to-date interval. Yr-to-date, Life & Group outcomes replicate $30 million in increased pretax funding revenue, in addition to a $26 million pretax loss associated to $121 million of money coverage buyouts. Excluding coverage buyouts, Life & Group year-to-date underwriting outcomes are broadly in step with reserve expectations.
As I famous final quarter, as an integral element of our danger mitigation technique, we anticipate to proceed providing coverage buyouts as a part of authorized charge will increase for the remainder of 2023 and future years. GAAP losses are anticipated on the buyout program, given the money gives are linked to increased statutory reserve ranges. Within the near-term, we anticipate coverage buyouts may generate quarterly GAAP losses as much as $10 million pretax relying on the respective coverage or cohort and the precise acceptance charges of such gives. Seeking to future years, we anticipate such buyouts will proceed to affect underwriting outcomes with a certain quantity of variability quarter-to-quarter.
Additionally, as I famous final quarter, our LTC enterprise is now accounted for underneath LDTI, which we adopted as of January 1, 2023, and prior interval outcomes had been adjusted to replicate LDTI. A reminder that LDTI has no impact on the underlying economics of CAN’s enterprise. Nonetheless, we anticipate a modestly increased underwriting loss underneath LDTI over the following a number of years, as in comparison with legacy GAAP, placing apart any assumption adjustments arising from our annual third quarter assumption overview. You’ll find a reconciliation of our 2022 quarterly outcomes adjusted for LDTI and as reconciled to legacy GAAP in our first quarter monetary complement, in addition to our first quarter Kind 10-Q.
Turning to investments. Whole pretax internet funding revenue elevated 33% to $575 million within the second quarter. The rise was pushed by our restricted partnership and customary inventory portfolios, which returned $68 million — which returned a $68 million acquire within the second quarter, in comparison with a $15 million loss within the prior yr quarter.
The second quarter acquire displays constructive contributions throughout methods and a good fairness market setting, whereas the prior yr quarter contains losses from our hedge fund and customary inventory portfolios and we’re in step with unfavorable fairness market efficiency at the moment. Moreover, our mounted revenue and different funding portfolios had been $60 million, favorable to the prior yr quarter.
Our mounted revenue portfolio continues to provide constant revenue, which has been steadily growing over the past yr on account of favorable reinvestment charges in our P&C portfolios, in addition to a rising funding base funded by sturdy money stream from operations. Inside our P&C and Company phase portfolios, the typical efficient revenue yield was 4.2% within the second quarter, in comparison with 4.0% within the first quarter of this yr and three.7% within the prior yr quarter.
As of the tip of the second quarter, reinvestment charges had been nicely above our P&C efficient revenue yield. Our Life & Group portfolio efficient revenue yield was 5.5% within the second quarter, in comparison with 5.4% within the prior yr quarter, a extra modest enhance as this portfolio is longer length and has embedded yields extra akin to in the present day’s rate of interest setting.
Moreover, inside the different class of internet funding revenue, which incorporates curiosity revenue on short-term investments and money, we’re benefiting from considerably increased short-term charges, as in comparison with a yr in the past. We consider our funding portfolio to be each top quality and nicely diversified.
Our mounted revenue portfolio, which makes up 88% of our complete investments has a weighted common credit standing of A, and is made up of 96% investment-grade securities. Whereas we preserve an allocation of danger belongings, together with restricted partnerships, frequent shares and beneath investment-grade securities, we consider it’s positioned conservatively and nicely inside our danger urge for food. Moreover, we preserve ample liquidity to satisfy obligations and face up to vital enterprise variability at each the holding and working firm ranges.
At quarter finish, our steadiness sheet continues to be very stable with stockholders’ fairness, excluding AOCI of $12.2 billion or $44.86 per share, a rise of 5% from year-end 2022 adjusting for dividends. Stockholders’ fairness, together with AOCI, was $8.7 billion or $32.22 per share. We proceed to take care of a conservative capital construction with a low leverage ratio and a well-balanced debt maturity schedule.
Through the second quarter, we efficiently issued $400 million of senior notes to assist place us forward of upcoming debt maturities in November 2023 and Might 2024.
Money stream from operations was $501 million for the second quarter, which is down $608 million from final yr’s second quarter. The lower within the second quarter is primarily attributable to the aforementioned long-term care coverage buyouts. In any other case, money stream from P&C underwriting actions and stuck revenue investments stays very sturdy, reflecting continued glorious underwriting and stuck revenue outcomes, respectively.
Turning to taxes. The efficient tax charge on core revenue was 21.6%, and displays a number of changes associated to state tax audits and our international operations, in addition to decrease tax-exempt funding revenue as in comparison with prior durations. Trying ahead, we anticipate our full-year 2023 efficient tax charge to be about 21% with a certain quantity of variability quarter-to-quarter.
Lastly, we’re happy to announce our common quarterly dividend of $0.42 per share to be paid on August thirty first, 2023, to shareholders of report on August 14, 2023.
And with that, I’ll flip it again to Dino.
Dino Robusto
Thanks, Scott. To recap, we had a wonderful quarter with sturdy high and backside line efficiency and vital enchancment in internet funding revenue. The pricing cycle continues to be various by line, reflecting the distinctive dynamics impacting loss value developments. The speed decreases in administration legal responsibility is per prior underwriting cycles submit very giant spikes in the course of the exhausting market years, and the firming in all industrial traces ex-work comp is a mirrored image of the market want for additional charge will increase for longer as a result of elevated cats and the compounding impacts of financial and social inflation.
This improved the industrial pricing continues to stream by way of to our new enterprise writings. And with our main reinsurance treaty renewals full with no substantial adjustments in safety, we really feel assured about our skill to proceed to leverage these segments and contours of enterprise with essentially the most favorable general phrases and situations within the second-half of the yr and to take action whereas masking our long-run loss value developments.
And with that, we shall be pleased to take your questions.
Query-and-Reply Session
Operator
Thanks. We’ll now start the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Right this moment’s first query comes from Meyer Shields with KBW. Please go forward.
Meyer Shields
Good morning. I hoped to spend somewhat time on a few traces of enterprise inside Specialty. First, I assume, I used to be somewhat stunned that as charge decreases accelerated in monetary establishments and administration legal responsibility, I am positive that is E&O, however we noticed a sequential uptick in retention, which went type of the off course. I am hoping you might discuss us by way of that.
Dino Robusto
Sure, Meyer. Hello, thanks. It is Dino. Once more, this can be a very worthwhile portfolio. And as I indicated, you recognize, even if you happen to account for the rise in loss value developments, you recognize, the charges in the present day are nonetheless above a reasonably exhausting market. And so we be ok with the portfolio, and we clearly need to lock-in good, sturdy phrases and situations on our renewal e book. As I mentioned, I do not suppose it is very inconsistent a few of the charge decreases given a few of the giant will increase you have seen over the exhausting market. So I feel, normally, all the underwriters are doing job about balancing charge and retention within the administration legal responsibility traces, and we nonetheless really feel very comfy with the portfolio.
Meyer Shields
Okay. Truthful sufficient. Second query on medical malpractice. I assume I am stunned that, that traces charge will increase are decelerating simply primarily based on how some rivals are doing? Are you able to give us any perception into the Q&A particular e book?
Dino Robusto
Sure. I feel you hit the nail on the top. CNA’s e book in the present day, Meyer, is exclusive, due to, as I alluded to in my ready remarks, it has been a five-year technique of remediating this portfolio. It has been an amazing quantity of re-underwriting the e book is significantly smaller. We have gotten substantial cumulative charge will increase, we began significantly earlier than the broader market.
And if you happen to recall, Meyer, throughout these years, our retention had plummeted within the low-60s, a mirrored image of the truth that we had been clearly swimming upstream in pursuit of the speed will increase. However in the present day, we discover ourselves with a smaller portfolio. It is worthwhile. It is the segments of center of medical mal which can be usually extra worthwhile, I feel a few of the charges replicate that, however make no mistake about it. We’ll proceed to push for charges and proceed to work on all the underwriting methods that we have had over the past 5 years. And I feel it is honest to think about the CNA portfolio in the present day considerably distinctive.
Meyer Shields
Okay, good. Thanks a lot.
Dino Robusto
Thanks.
Operator
[Operator Instructions] And it seems our subsequent query is a follow-up from Meyer Shields. Please go forward.
Meyer Shields
Thanks. One different factor I hoped to ask about, and I apologize if I missed it, however we noticed the P&C and Life & Group durations contract within the quarter. And once more, that was somewhat bit stunning, and it is hoping that we may discuss to that?
Scott Lindquist
Certain. Meyer, it is Scott right here. Thanks for the query. So I’d say nothing dramatic in any respect modified inside the portfolio — both of the portfolio. So there’s going to be a certain quantity of variability primarily based on simply the place rates of interest are at quarter finish, however I’ve — we had been most likely carrying somewhat bit more money in P&C proper now than we had been finally quarter finish, that is most likely the one factor I’d flag for you on that apart from that, no actual vital or materials change in any respect within the portfolio composition.
Meyer Shields
Okay, good. And I do know the place to begin is completely different from quite a lot of P&C carriers. So thanks.
Scott Lindquist
Sure, positive.
Operator
Thanks. And our subsequent query in the present day comes from Kyle LaBarre with Dowling & Companions. Please go forward.
Kyle LaBarre
Thank. Good morning. I simply wished to speak somewhat bit concerning the property progress. I do know, Dino you gave some good commentary on the opening remarks from a charge perspective, however I used to be questioning if you happen to may possibly dive somewhat bit deeper into what are the make-up of that portfolio, the place you are seeing the most effective alternative throughout Nationwide Accounts and Center Market?
Dino Robusto
Sure. So I feel we’re seeing it each in Nationwide Accounts and Center Market. However clearly, within the Nationwide Account house, you are seeing much more charge will increase, bigger schedules. We’re additionally seeing bigger valuation will increase had been additionally some alternatives within the E&S house, which we began a few yr in the past, and so we’re seeing some good alternatives there. It is all inside our goal market, nothing has actually modified in what we go after. However clearly, each within the [shared] (ph) and layered and floor up, there’s loads of alternative and capability wants.
And in order I indicated, we’re rising the portfolio, but additionally we proceed to optimize it as we get higher phrases and situations even at renewal in the present day than we did a yr in the past earlier than the market actually hardened at Jan 1.
Kyle LaBarre
Nice, thanks. After which simply one other query on loss value developments. I think about they had been comparatively steady. You have talked about general loss development comparatively steady at 6.5%. However we have heard some various developments inside the medical aspect to date in the course of the reporting season. Curious what you are seeing there when it comes to medical value inflation.
Dino Robusto
Whenever you take a look at our work comp, Kyle, medical prices are up and you bought to be particular. You bought to essentially take a look at the parts of medical prices once you take a look at CPI that basically impacts work comp like, for instance, doctor providers. So — however even with them being up considerably, they’re nonetheless nicely beneath our baked-in assumptions, which we have now by no means lowered however the benign developments for a few years. So nonetheless superb, and we really feel superb concerning the portfolio, and it is very worthwhile.
Kyle LaBarre
Good. And only one extra for me. And we began to see some extra headlines on whether or not it is the ceaselessly chemical compounds or the lead wiring, simply type of the rise in latent legal responsibility considerations I do know you have received the reserve cowl in place for A&E. However possibly simply type of from a excessive degree, curious the way you’re fascinated about these types of exposures. What are the issues that we must be centered on as we expect by way of what the affect for the trade could possibly be?
Dino Robusto
Kyle, as Scott talked about, proper, we do a floor up mass towards overview within the second quarter? After which as you additionally indicated, I imply if there’s something particular which may transpire in the course of the yr like abuse instances, then we’ll act in the course of the quarter. And we take a look at all of these issues and we attempt to seize in our reserves and mass in direction of the data that we have now. It is clearly evolving. It’ll take time to evolve, and we’ll proceed to include the data because it develops. There’s not a lot else we will say at this specific juncture.
Kyle LaBarre
Understood. Thanks very a lot.
Dino Robusto
Thanks.
Operator
Thanks. This concludes our question-and-answer session. I might like to show the convention again over to Dino Robusto for any closing remarks.
Dino Robusto
Nicely, thanks, everybody, and we’ll chat once more with you subsequent quarter. Thanks.
Operator
Thanks, sir. This concludes in the present day’s convention name. We thanks all for attending in the present day’s presentation. It’s possible you’ll now disconnect your traces, and have a beautiful day.
