ING Group (NYSE:) (INGA), a number one monetary establishment, reported sturdy efficiency for the second quarter of 2024, with substantial development in its buyer base and deposits, notably in cell banking. The financial institution’s payment revenue was robust, reaching almost EUR 1 billion, and it stays on observe to fulfill its EUR 4 billion payment revenue purpose for the yr.
An interim dividend of EUR 0.35 per share was introduced, contributing to a year-to-date yield of over 13%. ING Group anticipates a return on fairness (ROE) of greater than 12% by year-end. Regardless of a 3% enhance in complete bills on account of inflationary pressures and enterprise investments, threat prices had been under common, showcasing the power of the mortgage e-book.
The core tier 1 ratio stood at 14%, with an replace on the goal ratio of round 12.5% anticipated within the third-quarter outcomes. The financial institution’s profitable execution of its Rising the Distinction technique and its potential to capitalize on development alternatives underscored its optimistic efficiency.
Key Takeaways
ING Group’s cell major clients elevated by almost 250,000, totaling 13.7 million.Mortgage sector development contributed to an increasing lending e-book.Charge revenue was robust, with complete charges nearing EUR 1 billion for the quarter.An interim dividend of EUR 0.35 per share was declared, with a yield of over 13% year-to-date.Return on fairness for the quarter was 14%; a yearly ROE of over 12% is anticipated.Bills rose by 3%, primarily on account of inflationary impacts and enterprise investments.Threat prices remained under the financial institution’s through-the-cycle common.The core tier 1 ratio decreased barely to 14% on account of share buybacks.
Firm Outlook
ING Group is assured in attaining its EUR 4 billion payment revenue outlook for the yr.The financial institution plans to replace the market on its core tier 1 ratio goal with its third-quarter outcomes.The total-year complete revenue is anticipated to be above EUR 22 billion, with working bills aligning with forecasts.
Bearish Highlights
Whole bills elevated by 3% in comparison with the identical interval final yr.Wholesale banking threat prices rose on account of financial issues in Russia.Regulatory prices had been decrease than the earlier yr, however increased VAT funds had been made within the Netherlands following the Danske Financial institution ruling.
Bullish Highlights
Retail banking asset high quality remained robust, with a good macroeconomic outlook for home costs.ING Group reported a excessive core tier 1 ratio of 14% regardless of ongoing share buybacks.The financial institution expects an ROE of over 12% for the total yr.
Misses
A brief enhance of EUR 6.5 billion in risk-weighted belongings was reported within the second quarter, attributed to mannequin updates and timing of modifications.
Q&A Highlights
ING mentioned web curiosity revenue and margins by nation, with expectations of a web curiosity margin above 110 for the yr.The corporate addressed questions on deposit pricing technique and threat mitigation, emphasizing a nimble and market-dependent strategy.Executives didn’t disclose particulars concerning the mannequin updates or the price of mitigating actions.
ING Group’s earnings name revealed a robust efficiency within the second quarter of 2024, pushed by buyer development and strong monetary outcomes. The financial institution’s strategic deal with cell banking and payment revenue era, coupled with a sturdy mortgage e-book, positions it effectively for the rest of the yr.
Whereas dealing with some headwinds from elevated bills and financial issues, ING Group’s proactive administration of threat and capital demonstrates its resilience and dedication to delivering shareholder worth.
InvestingPro Insights
ING Group (INGA) continues to exhibit a robust monetary stance, as mirrored in current metrics and InvestingPro Ideas. With a market capitalization of $57.87 billion and an adjusted P/E ratio of 12.42 for the final twelve months as of Q1 2024, the corporate stands as a major participant within the monetary sector. The dividend yield as of April 2024 is notably excessive at 7.64%, which is consistent with the corporate’s historical past of elevating its dividend for 3 consecutive years—an indicator of its dedication to returning worth to shareholders.
The InvestingPro Ideas spotlight that administration has been actively shopping for again shares, signaling confidence within the firm’s valuation and prospects. Furthermore, analysts predict that ING can be worthwhile this yr, corroborating the optimistic outlook shared within the firm’s earnings name. That is supported by the corporate’s profitability during the last twelve months and a big value uptick of 41.56% during the last six months, demonstrating robust investor confidence and market efficiency.
Along with the supplied ideas, there are extra InvestingPro Ideas accessible that supply deeper insights into ING’s monetary well being and strategic positioning.
Key InvestingPro Knowledge metrics to contemplate:
P/E Ratio (Adjusted) LTM Q1 2024: 12.42Dividend Yield as of April 2024: 7.64percent6 Month Worth Whole Return as of April 2024: 41.56%
These metrics underscore ING Group’s sturdy monetary outcomes and its potential for sustained development, aligning with the corporate’s optimistic efficiency and strategic initiatives outlined within the article.
Full transcript – ING Group NV (ING) Q2 2024:
Operator: Good morning, that is Laura welcoming you to ING’s 2Q 2024 convention name. Earlier than handing this convention name over to Steven van Rijswijk, Chief Government Officer of ING Group, let me first say that at the moment’s feedback might embrace forward-looking statements, similar to statements relating to future developments in our enterprise, expectations for our future monetary efficiency, and any assertion not involving a historic truth. Precise outcomes might differ materially from these projected in any forward-looking assertion. A dialogue of things which will trigger precise outcomes to vary from these in any forward-looking assertion is contained in our public filings, together with our most up-to-date annual report on Kind 20-F filed with the USA Securities and Alternate Fee and our earnings press launch as posted on our web site at the moment. Moreover, nothing in at the moment’s feedback constitutes a suggestion to promote or a solicitation of a suggestion to purchase any securities. Good morning, Steven, over to you.
Steven van Rijswijk: Thanks very a lot. Good morning and welcome to our outcomes name for the second quarter of 2024. I hope you are all effectively. As standard, I am joined by our CRO, Ljiljana Cortan and our CFO, Tanate Phutrakul. In at the moment’s presentation, we’ll focus on the robust quarter we had and I’ll inform you about how we’re progressing on the priorities we set out throughout our current Capital Markets Day. Tanate will stroll you thru the financials of the quarter and present you the way we’re performing in comparison with our targets. On the finish of the decision, we can be blissful to take your questions. Now, let’s transfer to slip 2. Earlier than going by way of our robust leads to extra element, let’s begin with a recap of the important thing messages from our current Capital Markets Day. First, we have proven that our entrepreneurship, our relentless deal with our clients and our collaborative tradition have made us a really profitable financial institution, delivering worth for all stakeholders. This DNA allows us to seize alternatives within the extremely enticing markets by which we function. By executing our Rising the Distinction technique, we’ll seize this potential and we’ll speed up development, enhance our influence and ship worth for our stakeholders. And I’ll now take you thru how now we have accomplished so within the second quarter. On slide 3, we present how we’re accelerating development. After a profitable first quarter, we once more had very robust industrial efficiency within the second quarter with a rise within the variety of clients in lending and in deposits. The variety of cell major clients elevated by virtually 250,000 with will increase in all nations the place we pursue development alternatives. And with this enhance, we have grown the variety of cell major clients by effectively over 900,000 clients within the final 12 months and we’re effectively on observe to achieve our goal of 1 million every year. We have additionally grown our lending e-book with a very robust efficiency in mortgages the place we noticed development throughout all markets. Development in wholesale banking lending was offset by mortgage gross sales as we continued to optimize capital utilization. On the legal responsibility facet, profitable advertising and marketing efforts in retail banking and a stronger deal with deposit gathering in wholesale banking resulted in EUR15 billion in circulate this quarter. Annualized customer-balanced development, in order that’s lending and deposits mixed, amounted to six.2% within the first half yr, exceeding the annual goal of 4% we set throughout our Capital Markets Day. Then I am transferring on to slip 4, and there we present the growing impacts for all our stakeholders. After rising by 430,000 within the first half yr, we now have 13.7 million cell major clients. And this development displays the appreciation of our services. 65% of our clients now solely do enterprise through the cell and we’re essentially the most cherished financial institution in lots of markets we function with a #1 web promoter rating in 6 out of the ten retail markets. Now we have a extremely engaged workforce and we’re proud that we’re seen as a task mannequin in advancing LGBTQI-plus inclusion in workplaces worldwide. The variety of sustainable offers has elevated additional with EUR32 billion of quantity mobilized within the second quarter and EUR57 billion within the first half yr, which is EUR10 billion greater than final yr. In retail, greater than 40% of the mortgage manufacturing within the Netherlands has no less than an A-label. And at last, we’re exhibiting wonderful monetary outcomes for our shareholders. Because of persevering with robust profitability, now we have introduced an interim dividend of EUR0.35 per share, bringing the year-to-date yield to over 13% already. Slide 5 lists how we’re delivering worth. Internet curiosity revenue remained resilient, with a rise in comparison with final quarter, regardless of the damaging influence of upper accounting asymmetry. Charge revenue was very near EUR1 billion this quarter and we’re effectively underway to achieve the EUR4 billion this yr that we said earlier. Most of this development in comparison with final yr was pushed by structural will increase, as Tanate will present you in additional element later. Threat prices proceed to be under our through-the-cycle common and we stay comfy with the standard of our mortgage e-book. And this has all resulted in a return on fairness of 14% and we’re assured that we are going to finish the yr with a return on fairness of greater than 12%. Now we have achieved this return whereas working at a wholesome CET1 ratio. With the continued share buyback, we have made additional steps converging our CET1 ratio in the direction of our goal stage and can replace the market on subsequent steps with our third quarter outcomes. Then slide 6. And on this slide, I want to zoom in on a person nation and present how we’re executing on our technique in retail banking. In Romania, we have been essentially the most most well-liked financial institution since 2016. And this appreciation of our digital services has resulted in robust development within the variety of complete clients. And over half of those clients now use us as their major financial institution. We have additionally been in a position to develop either side of the stability sheet and make a really wholesome return. And we firmly consider we are able to develop additional and make extra influence for our clients. For instance, we utterly redesigned our digital onboarding course of that now actually stands out within the nation. And we have launched a digital mortgage in Romania with digital monetary approval and collateral appraisal. To extend presence in new segments, as we additionally talked about throughout Capital Markets Day, now we have launched devoted worth propositions for Gen Z whereas we renewed our deal with the prosperous phase. And we have elevated cross-sell inside enterprise banking in order that extra clients use our every day banking packages, which helps to additional enhance payment revenue. General, Romania is a superb instance of how we’re rising the distinction. And now I will hand over to Tanate, who will take you thru the outcomes of the second quarter in additional element, beginning on slide 8.
Tanate Phutrakul: Thanks, Steven. As Steven talked about in his introduction, web curiosity revenue was robust once more this quarter and improved quarter-on-quarter, regardless of a extra damaging influence from accounting asymmetry. Lending NII elevated for the fifth consecutive quarter, pushed by increased volumes, whereas the margin rose by 1 foundation level. Legal responsibility NII continued to be resilient, because the anticipated normalization of legal responsibility margin was virtually absolutely compensated by increased volumes. The general web curiosity margin, which takes the event within the complete stability sheet under consideration, decreased by 3 foundation factors, pushed by the influence of elevated accounting asymmetry. Now should you go to web page 9, I will present you extra particulars on this. The purpose I would prefer to make right here is that the structural drivers of web curiosity revenue developed very effectively this quarter, whereas reported web curiosity revenue elevated by EUR5 million quarter-on-quarter. Nevertheless, when excluding the influence of one-offs and the elevated accounting asymmetry, our web curiosity revenue really elevated by a robust EUR65 million in comparison with the earlier quarter. As you recognize, the damaging influence from accounting asymmetry on a web revenue is greater than compensated by different revenue. I will get again on this on slide 12. On the following slide, we’ll present you the robust quantity development in each core lending and deposits. The industrial momentum that we had within the first quarter continues within the second, with robust web core lending development of virtually EUR8 billion. Now we have been in a position to develop our mortgage e-book in all of our retail nations. This was simply not pushed by restoration of the market, but additionally by growing our market share in some nations. Within the Netherlands, for instance, now we have grown our market share in new manufacturing to over 16% on the again of offering a superb buyer expertise. Development in wholesale banking lending was offset by mortgage gross sales as we proceed to deal with capital effectivity. On liabilities we noticed core deposit development by EUR14.7 billion within the second quarter on account of robust efficiency in each retail and wholesale banking. In retail we grew throughout many markets pushed by efficient advertising and marketing and supported by the inflows of vacation allowances in some nations. In wholesale banking our deal with growing deposit paid off with robust inflows in fee and money administration specifically. Now turning to slip 11, payment revenue year-on-year was once more double digit as we made virtually a EUR1 billion in charges this quarter. It is a document. The expansion was notably pushed by retail banking as we had been in a position to develop cell major buyer, energetic funding product buyer, lifting revenue from every day banking, funding merchandise and insurance coverage. As well as, we paid low commissions to unbiased brokers and brokers in Belgium. We additionally benefited from favorable market situation that led to increased charges from mortgage brokerage and enhance within the variety of funding product trades as effectively. In wholesale banking charges had been barely decrease on account of lending however had been nonetheless at a robust stage. Given a robust efficiency throughout the financial institution we stay assured that we are able to attain our EUR4 billion payment revenue outlook this yr. Now on slide 12 we present what the developments within the completely different revenue traces within the first half of the yr imply for our steerage for complete revenue this yr. We word that we beforehand supplied an outlook for web curiosity revenue assuming a steady accounting asymmetry leading to a spread of between EUR15 billion to EUR15.5 billion. Nevertheless as this asymmetry remained tough to forecast, now we have now excluded this influence from our outlook. Any influence from accounting asymmetry can be greater than compensated in different revenue. As structural drivers of NII stay robust we proceed to information for curiosity revenue excluding accounting asymmetry to finish up within the higher finish of the vary. We’re assured that the payment revenue will attain the EUR4 billion outlook and because of this now we have elevated our complete revenue steerage this yr from round EUR22 billion to greater than EUR22 billion. Now on slide 13 we like to elucidate a bit about the associated fee improvement. Whole bills within the first half of the yr elevated by roughly 3%, in comparison with the primary six months of 2023. In the identical interval bills, excluding regulatory prices and incidental objects had been roughly 6% increased, which is consistent with our outlook for 2024. This enhance was primarily due to influence of inflation on employees bills reflecting wage indexation and collective labor settlement will increase throughout most of our markets. We additionally proceed to spend money on our enterprise and needed to pay the next VAT following the implementation of the Danske Financial institution ruling within the Netherlands. Regulatory prices had been considerably decrease than final yr as a result of no contribution is required to the Eurozone single decision fund for 2024. For the total yr we proceed to information for complete expense part of round EUR12 billion. On to threat prices on web page 14. Whole threat prices had been EUR300 million this quarter or 18 foundation factors of common buyer lending nonetheless under our by way of the cycle common and demonstrating the standard of our mortgage e-book. In retail banking asset high quality continued to be robust and we benefited from robust enchancment within the macroeconomic outlook for home costs. In wholesale banking, threat prices together with additions to Stage 3 for quite a lot of unrelated current information now we have additionally transferred part of the Russian associated publicity from Stage 2 to Stage 3 reflecting the worsening financial outlook in that nation. On the finish of the second quarter we nonetheless have a inventory of overlays amounting to EUR415 million. Web page 15 reveals the event of our core tier 1 ratio which was principally impacted by the continued share buyback which we introduced final quarter. Core tier 1 decreased by EUR1.7 billion because the buyback was partly offset by the inclusion of web revenue for the quarter after reserving for dividend. Whole threat weighted asset elevated by EUR7.3 billion excluding EUR0.6 billion of FX influence. Credit score threat weight belongings once more excluding FX influence elevated by EUR7.7 billion, partly pushed by a rise in publicity. A brief enhance from quarterly mannequin updates had an influence of EUR6.5 billion for which the bulk can be reversed earlier than yr finish. This non permanent enhance has no influence on our capital outlook. Adjustments within the profile of the books resulted in a lower of the credit score threat weighted belongings by EUR2.1 billion. Operational threat weight belongings had been steady. Market threat weight belongings decreased by EUR0.4 billion. The interim money dividend of EUR0.35 per share can be paid on the twelfth of August and we’ll replace the market with our Q3 outcomes on the following steps in converging on our core tier 1 ratio to our goal ranges of round 12.5%. Then lastly on to slip 16. As Steven and I’ve defined at the moment, executing on our technique has resulted in a really profitable first half yr with good industrial and monetary efficiency. Cell major buyer elevated by 430,000 as more-and-more clients select us as their major financial institution. An growing variety of clients are utilizing cell as their most well-liked channel. Whole revenue elevated with robust NII, double-digit payment revenue development and now we have up to date our outlook for complete revenue for the total yr to finish up above EUR22 billion. The event of working bills was consistent with our outlook whereas regulatory prices decreased considerably in comparison with final yr. Core tier 1 ratio continued to be excessive at 14%. Our four-quarter rolling return on fairness stays very enticing at 14% and we’re assured we can present an ROE of over 12% for the total yr. Now on to the Q&A. Over to you, operator.
Operator: Thanks. [Operator Instructions]. We’ll now take our first query from Benoit Petrarque of Kepler Cheuvreux. Your line is open, please go forward.
Benoit Petrarque: Sure, good morning, gents. Thanks for taking my questions. So, the primary one can be on web curiosity revenue, wanting on the two essential transferring elements, so lending NII and legal responsibility NII. On the lending NII, clearly very robust development on the quantity facet. It sounds that you just, or no less than I’m extra optimistic on the lending NII improvement going ahead. I’m additionally a bit extra optimistic on lending volumes for the remainder of the yr and likewise on lending margin developments. So, that would be the first sub-question in NII. After which on NII once more, on the web page 22, you present a really attention-grabbing sensitivity. Final quarter, you instructed us that based mostly on the curve finish of March, you anticipate to be between 100 bps and 110 bps on legal responsibility margin. I see a delta based mostly on the present curve of EUR600 million on curiosity revenue from replicating revenue in 2026, which can be about 9 bps on the overall buyer deposit. So, my query is, based mostly on the present curve, are you possibly a bit extra additionally optimistic on this vary of 100, 110? Are we extra prone to be on the excessive finish of this vary based mostly on the present curve? That’s the query. And that’s only a very tiny query on the asset gross sales. So, wholesale e-book is down EUR1 billion. However how a lot is the form of impact of the asset gross sales in Q2 or H1? I simply needed to get the total image on an underlying foundation. And likewise, you speak about belongings prior to now and simply questioning the place you’re on that. Thanks very a lot.
Steven van Rijswijk: All proper. Thanks, Benoit. I’ll do the one on asset gross sales and the NII. And Tanate will discuss concerning the graph on web page 22. Speaking concerning the NII, I believe we are also fairly optimistic. And should you have a look at the volumes in mortgages, to start out with, the volumes had been good. You additionally noticed, should you have a look at the market share of the brand new manufacturing within the Netherlands, it was 16% and better, the place our complete market share is round 13%. So we’re doing very effectively. That additionally has to do, by the way in which, with our power of our digital channel and interplay with our dealer. So we’re doing very effectively. I am very proud of that. You additionally, by the way in which, see it in our primary MPS place on this market. And likewise you see step by step growing volumes in Belgium and Germany. And people markets are recovering a bit slower on the mortgage facet. So they’re nonetheless fairly a way off of the place their mortgage gross sales had been or how gross sales had been in ’22 and ’21 and earlier than that point. In order that recovers slower, but additionally within the slower market, we’re doing effectively. So that offers us additionally confidence for the long run. In wholesale banking, we noticed additionally lending development, however we even have quite a lot of underwrites and mortgage gross sales. And subsequently, I hyperlink query one and query three, we had about EUR2 billion in mortgage gross sales this quarter. And subsequently, you see the overall taking place, however we even have quite a lot of dedicated amenities that are undrawn. So we develop, however you do not see it within the numbers as a result of it is not drawn at this cut-off date. However we see in our pipelines of offers, that the market is changing into stronger. So from a quantity perspective, now we have a optimistic viewpoint on based mostly on what we see the market shares out there, and the way the markets in mortgages and wholesale banking are recovering. Should you have a look at the margins, in wholesale banking, you already see a little bit of margin growth, okay, it is just one foundation factors, but it surely provides — no less than it has been steady. And but it surely you now see if the expansion is coming again, when liquidity out there ought to grow to be a bit decrease with quantitative tightening, that ought to have a optimistic influence on it. Let’s examine the place that goes. However we noticed no less than for this quarter, a restricted enhance. And deposit margin is holding a effectively consistent with what we anticipated. However I’ll let Tanate speak about web page 22.
Tanate Phutrakul: Thanks, Benoit. I believe we needed to offer this mechanical replication of the U curve for the Eurozone deposit e-book. I believe that is one determinants of the place our web NII for legal responsibility will go. However I believe there are three different developments. I believe quantity is clearly one by way of deposits. And you’ll see that we’re fairly optimistic about our momentum in by way of volumes, given what we see in Q1 and likewise Q2. We additionally can be decided by the combination of our deposits between time period deposits, financial savings and present account. And what we additionally noticed is that the migration from present account to financial savings account has stopped. So that could be a clear pattern line, which can also be optimistic for NII legal responsibility. And the third is the deposit charges itself. And that, in fact, we don’t give ahead steerage, however we reaffirm the steerage that going to ’25, the legal responsibility margin needs to be between 100 to 110 with a few of these optimistic momentums that I discussed.
Benoit Petrarque: Thanks. Thanks very a lot.
Operator: Thanks. I’ll now transfer on to our subsequent query from Giulia Miotto of Morgan Stanley. The road is open. Please go forward.
Giulia Miotto: Hello, good morning. Thanks for taking my query. The primary one, I wish to keep on the identical subject and double click on on the margins by nation. Is it appropriate that Belgium continues to be below stress most likely on lending and deposits, whereas Netherlands and Germany look higher? Or, you recognize, any additional shade that you would be able to give us by nation can be welcome. After which my second query is that it goes on a special subject, capital, the EUR6.5 billion non permanent mannequin will increase. So are you able to give us a bit extra shade there? What are these and the way do you why are they non permanent, primarily? How do you then offset them? Thanks.
Steven van Rijswijk: Yeah, on the margins, I’ll take the query and Ljiljana will take it on the EUR6.5 billion non permanent enhance. Yeah, it’s true that by way of the nations, should you have a look at mortgage margins, that they’re higher within the Netherlands and Germany than they’re in Belgium. So what we clearly do, in fact, is once we have a look at pricing of our merchandise and of our companies to our clients, we have a look at the place we do — whether or not we make the appropriate return on it. And we’re a return targeted financial institution. And if we’re in a position to make a return that meets our inside return hurdles, then we’ll do it. And if not, we do not. And that is additionally subsequently, nonetheless, should you have a look at the growth of the mortgage e-book, you see a major growth within the Netherlands, additionally on account of the truth that it is a gorgeous market. However I have to say that additionally the mortgage markets in Belgium and Germany are nonetheless a bit sluggish. So there may be some restoration, however to not the tune that now we have seen within the Netherlands already, which is now already again on the stage of home gross sales as of 2022. That is the place we presently are.
Ljiljana Cortan: Good morning, Giulia. On the fashions, sure, now we have seen a brief enhance this quarter, which is a bit increased than standard of EUR6.5 billion. And we are saying majority of will probably be reversed earlier than the yr finish, with no implications for our capital outlook. And what will we imply with that? You realize that we execute consistent with our ING mannequin roadmap technique. Each quarter, the mannequin updates. In some quarters, it goes up or down, relying on the timing of the modifications taken, however as effectively on the timing on the mitigating actions which are being taken in parallel with the intention to work on that influence. What now we have seen within the second quarter is the damaging influence that you’ve got talked about. Nevertheless, most of will probably be taken by way of completely different mitigating actions, primarily threat transfers that we use with the intention to, I’d say, come to the construction stage of RWA that we are going to function at. Should you look, for instance, within the final six quarters, you will notice a web influence of our mannequin modifications of round EUR1 billion to EUR1.5 billion, which is the proof that we actively handle our RWA all year long, by which some quarters may need the upticks on account of these modifications, however then within the others, taking a threat mitigating motion in place, they are going down.
Giulia Miotto: Okay, thanks. So, if I perceive it appropriately, this damaging EUR6.5 billion influence can be offset by SRTs, is that appropriate?
Ljiljana Cortan: Not simply SRTs, there may be quite a lot of different, I’d say, actions, that are insurance coverage insurance policies, derivatives, hedging, so completely different threat transfers, mitigations, and sure, largely, will probably be offset.
Giulia Miotto: Okay, good. Thanks very a lot. And if I can return on the margin query, something on the deposit margin by nation, as a substitute? Thanks.
Steven van Rijswijk: I will give this to Tonette.
Tanate Phutrakul: I believe, as I discussed already, Giulia, deposit margin is relying on quantity and on combine, to be clear, and the combination, I believe, now we have seen favorable developments by way of stabilization of present accounts, so I believe that is good on the combination, and I believe in Q2, we had such a excessive inflows of deposits, so it moved the web curiosity margin down a little bit bit. We had fairly an enormous promotion in Germany, so I believe, I simply repeat the important thing drivers, replicated revenue, quantity development, and blend, these are the important thing drivers for margins, however we stick to our steerage that we anticipate web curiosity margin for legal responsibility for this yr to be above 110, and that will probably be within the hall of round 100 to 110 going ahead.
Giulia Miotto: Sure, thanks very a lot. I used to be in search of extra, like, remark by nation, if in case you have any, I do not know, if any nation is wanting otherwise, or if these tendencies are form of comparable throughout nations?
Tanate Phutrakul: I believe restricted change per nation. What I can say is that the margin is definitely increasing considerably within the non-Eurozone nations the place rate of interest setting are considerably extra favorable for us.
Giulia Miotto: Thanks.
Operator: Thanks. And we’ll now transfer on to our subsequent query from Tarik El Mejjad of the Financial institution of America. The road is open, please go forward.
Tarik El Mejjad: Hello, good morning. Two fast questions, please. First, comply with up on the legal responsibility margins. One of many transferring elements is the pricing on deposits you may’t remark, it is determined by competitors and different elements, however are you able to, in your three essential Eurozone retail markets, describe a bit the dynamics there by way of competitors and stress on pricing there? And the second query is on prices. I perceive your strategy on prices, which being very form of steady and in search of alternatives to optimize prices because it goes, however what are the areas we may probably search for by way of discovering some levers to offset the sticky excessive inflation in prices and assist the joes? And possibly you may simply affirm that regardless of, I imply, taking a look at your steerage for prices and revenues, we should always anticipate fairly large damaging joes this yr and damaging joes subsequent yr with probably slim to barely bettering in 2026? Thanks.
Steven van Rijswijk: All proper. The price query goes to Tenate and I’ll say one thing concerning the legal responsibility margin. To begin with, like Tenate already mentioned, the margin is holding up effectively. So, and there are completely different value factors, so within the Netherlands, the bottom deposit charge is comparatively excessive, and that could be a bit decrease in Belgium and in Germany, however there you continue to see in Belgium they work with loyalty premiums, i.e. the longer you keep as a depositor in Belgium, the extra you get, and in Germany they work with advertising and marketing actions. So, what we presently see, and also you see it prior to now quarters, is that we, in fact, we have a look at our personal merchandise, our personal stability sheets, and we additionally have a look at how one can develop in a worthwhile approach our major clients, and that is how we’re additionally taking a look at deposit gathering. Now, what we subsequently particularly see in Germany that with advertising and marketing actions, and we noticed it within the first quarter once more, as now we have accomplished within the first quarter additionally the final yr, or possibly it was April final yr, that we began a advertising and marketing motion on the proper level, in a worthwhile approach, by which we acquired a major quantity of deposits in, and that is how we proceed to take a look at. How do you stability development of shoppers, worthwhile development of shoppers, with stability sheet administration, and with getting extra deposits within the financial institution? Now, and there you see a bit extra motion in Germany than you see in Belgium and the Netherlands.
Tanate Phutrakul: Then a query, Tarik, on expense improvement, as we form of highlighted on web page 13, we do anticipate that the associated fee improvement for this yr to be round 3%, a mixture of regulatory bills and working bills. We do anticipate that, you recognize, should you have a look at the primary half of the yr the place the rise in enterprise development come from, a few of the large buckets are actually, as we talked about on our capital markets day, now we have elevated the extent of buyer acquisition prices. These embrace entrance workplace employees, advertising and marketing bills to amass clients, and also you see that the quantity of recent major buyer is growing properly. This could be one of many large principal drivers of enterprise development that we see, and also you’re proper that we do not take restructuring provision on a program foundation, however as they arrive, and on this quarter we took round EUR34 million restructuring provision for restructuring in Belgium, which is expounded to a discount of our operational employees ranges. To provide the consolation concerning the outlook for the long run, we stick to our CMD steerage, which is that price revenue ratio is able to rise to round 54% subsequent yr and gravitate again to 2027 of round 52% to 54% price revenue ratio. So these can be reaffirmation of our steerage for the CMD.
Tarik El Mejjad: Okay, thanks very a lot.
Operator: Thanks, and we’ll now take our subsequent query from Samuel Moran-Smyth of Barclays. Your line is open, please go forward.
Samuel Moran-Smyth: Hello, morning. Thanks for taking my query. So two questions on, I assume, both facet of the stability sheet. So on belongings, web core lending this quarter when annualized was above your 4% annual development goal, but additionally considerably above Eurozone system development. If you got here to Benoit earlier, you commented on the core retail markets, so Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, but it surely seems to be like the best relative development this quarter was really in your challenger markets. So maybe you would give us some shade on which markets you’re feeling you are taking most market share and the place you anticipate that to proceed? After which my second query is on the legal responsibility facet. You talked about a few instances your advertising and marketing campaigns in Germany. I respect the most recent marketing campaign began in Q1 and went into Q2, however after I have a look at web core deposit development in Germany this quarter, it was really fairly subdued in comparison with different quarters the place you’ve got had these promotions. So ought to we take into consideration that as a web quantity the place you could have had inflows, however you’ve got additionally had outflows? And if that’s the case, are these outflows going to rivals or are they going into asset administration merchandise or I suppose any shade there can be actually appreciated. Thanks.
Steven van Rijswijk: All proper. So possibly on the advertising and marketing marketing campaign in Germany that led to an enormous influx in Germany of EUR11 billion within the first quarter. So I used to be speaking about that within the context of the primary quarter influx in Germany that was EUR11 billion. And so certainly that it has not these ranges within the second quarter as a result of we didn’t do a advertising and marketing marketing campaign this quarter. That was the final yr the place we did the advertising and marketing marketing campaign in April which then led to an influx of I consider from the highest of my head EUR16 billion. So this quarter is definitely a deposit influx throughout within the varied markets. However relying on at which cut-off date we wish to once more push the pedal to develop our clients, we’ll do new advertising and marketing campaigns, however I can not say something about that. However now you see really enhance of deposits throughout the assorted markets by which we function. Then there was a little bit of a static on the road, however I consider the primary query was about the place do you see most development in markets in lending? Is that appropriate? Are you able to repeat that query, Sam?
Samuel Moran-Smyth: Sure, particularly in reference to your challenger markets.
Steven van Rijswijk: To the challenger markets? Properly, I imply, additionally there we see a major development in many of the markets. We additionally see a return of the market in Poland whereby the financial system is step by step bettering once more and there we see specific development coming in that market as effectively. So subsequent to the Netherlands that we noticed was very robust, step by step markets coming again in Belgium and Germany, however to not the extent that now we have but seen a number of years in the past. We see a return of the expansion in Poland and we see additionally Italy doing notably effectively.
Samuel Moran-Smyth: Should you do not thoughts, if I may simply rapidly comply with up on German deposits. If you speak about advertising and marketing campaigns, if I used to be to go in your German retail banking web site proper now, I can nonetheless get, I believe it is 3.3%. So the promotion continues to be there, however are we speaking extra particularly about precise advertising and marketing fairly than only a increased bonus charge? Simply to make clear, sorry.
Steven van Rijswijk: Yeah, what we usually speak about when there is a advertising and marketing marketing campaign, so meaning that you’re allowed to get a sure rate of interest for a sure interval. And once we discuss concerning the marketing campaign itself, it’s concerning the begin of that marketing campaign. The beginning, once we begin to supply one thing new for a sure interval that’s if you see an enormous enhance within the deposits flowing in.
Samuel Moran-Smyth: Understood. Thanks very a lot.
Steven van Rijswijk: Thanks.
Operator: Thanks. And we’ll now take our subsequent query from Benjamin Goy of Deutsche Financial institution. Your line is open. Please go forward.
Benjamin Goy: Sure, hello. Good morning. Two questions, please. So first on prices, and thanks for the breakdown of the associated fee inflation. Now now we have seen your two largest markets. You might have primarily seen the CAs of the sector or of key rivals. So questioning should you may also help us a little bit perceive how your price CAGR seems to be all through the plan. Was it barely elevated initially given these CAs? After which secondly, on the deposits, and notably should you can share a bit extra shade on the present accounts, which had been properly up quarter-on-quarter. Is that within the byproduct of those financial savings campaigns that individuals additionally convey over present accounts and use them extra incessantly? Or how are you going to clarify the expansion? Thanks.
Steven van Rijswijk: All proper. I will do the present accounts query. Tanate talks about prices, as he usually does. So should you have a look at the present account development that certainly, a part of it’s simply development of recent clients coming in. You see 250,000 cell major clients. And with these clients, we do extra. They usually additionally usually maintain more cash on our accounts. But in addition, now we have a present account development on the again of vacation allowances amongst the Netherlands and Belgium and Spain. But in addition, we had a marketing campaign in Italy this quarter as effectively. So that is what precipitated it as effectively. However usually, vacation allowances trigger present accounts to go up. The flip facet of it’s that what we usually additionally see within the third quarter of the yr is that you just see a rise of transaction charges within the third quarter on the again of the vacation interval, as a result of then folks begin to spend that cash, usually, in our case, by means of bank card charges. So that may then have a optimistic influence on the transaction charges. That is what now we have seen over the previous yr. In order that’s a bit the way it goes. Second quarter elevated on account of vacation allowances. Third quarter growing bank card makes use of due to the vacations.
Tanate Phutrakul: Then, Ben, by way of prices, notably the collective labor enhance, we do see the delayed influence by way of wage inflation. You might have talked about we watch our competitor in quite a lot of markets like Germany and the Netherlands. So we do anticipate that the associated fee enhance within the quick time period, so ’24-’25, to stay sticky, however that the normalization by way of wage enhance to grow to be extra prevalent in ’26-’27. So extra uptick within the first a part of our planning interval and extra normalization within the again finish.
Benjamin Goy: Understood. Thanks.
Operator: Thanks. And we’ll now transfer on to our subsequent query from Anke Reingen of RBC. Your line is open. Please go forward.
Anke Reingen: Sure, thanks very a lot for taking my questions. The primary is on the slide 22 once more. Sorry for following-up. However in 2025, a EUR500 million step up within the replicating portfolio revenue. Why ought to it not be an analogous step up within the steerage you gave on the 4.4 put up the deposit price? Is there something that may make the headwind bigger so it is not a EUR500 million step up? After which secondly, on the mortgage quantity development, I imply, it is actually fairly spectacular. And also you talked about market share positive aspects. Are you able to elaborate a bit about what you are doing to develop sooner than the competitors? Thanks very a lot.
Steven van Rijswijk: All proper. I will speak about mortgage development. Tanate talks about web page 22. Properly, I imply, in the long run, however I believe we all the time highlighted that it is a matter of buyer expertise. And what we do is we construct a really robust channels. Like we talked additionally about Romania, for instance, the place we mentioned now we have a digital approval or digital collateral valuation. And it simply signifies that we repeatedly work very diligently, very targeted on decrease time to sure and decrease time to money. So how lengthy does it take if you get an approval? How lengthy does it take if you get your cash? And within the Netherlands, now we have with our brokers and the dealer channel is the most important channel for mortgages. The time to sure is lower than 24 hours, which is simply excellent. And I believe it is one of the best out there. You additionally see and I do not know the place you come from, however in Germany, we additionally there may be being bought lots by way of brokers. But in addition you see that in the way in which that we do it with our purchasers, we repeatedly work on do this absolutely digital so far as we are able to, so far as legislation permits us to take action. So in the long run, it is creating an setting the place there’s extra certainty for purchasers in a faster and fewer friction kind of approach. Really easy, on the spot, private relevance. That is the secret. And that is simply laborious work daily.
Tanate Phutrakul: Then Anke, by way of the step up on web page 22, that is the replicated revenue. And I believe the opposite legs of it, which we do not we can not disclose is what occurs to buyer charges. However we do give on that web page a sensitivity evaluation that each 10 foundation factors or go by way of has an influence of round EUR400 million on NII. So that is the second leg. The one factor I’d describe is that competitors for deposits from what we see within the second quarter has remained benign, that we’re in a position to collect fairly important quantity in lots of markets that we function in. So these are the lacking items that that you must make your judgment is what’s the outlook by way of competitors, by way of retail deposits, and what monitoring do you assume in your mannequin?
Anke Reingen: Thanks very a lot.
Operator: Thanks. [Operator Instructions]. We’ll now transfer on to our subsequent query from Hugh Moorhead of Berenberg. Your line is open. Please go forward.
Hugh Moorhead: Good morning. Thanks very a lot for taking my questions. One on charges and one on threat price, please. So firstly, on payment revenue, robust efficiency and insurance coverage this quarter. Is that form of ought to we see that as being pushed by one off like a advertising and marketing marketing campaign, for instance? Or are we seeing a bit extra of a structural restoration in that enterprise? Should you may simply give a bit extra perception, that may be nice, please. After which secondly, on mortgage losses, I believe price of threat this quarter, excluding the overlay proper again is 25 bps, a bit above your by way of the cycle steerage. How ought to we view this quarter by way of threat price normalizing? How are you guys desirous about the evolution of the overlay because the quarters come? For instance, will you form of proceed to make use of the overlay to maintain the price of threat at round 20 foundation factors? And likewise lastly, sorry, can you quantify the Russia, the influence of the switch of the Russia exposures from Stage 2 to Stage 3 as effectively, please? Thanks.
Steven van Rijswijk: All proper. So I will give the query concerning the threat price overlays, Russia, tendencies to Ljiljana, and I will speak about charges. That makes my job enjoyable. So effectively, I imply, there are lots of explanation why our payment efficiency is robust. It begins with getting extra clients within the financial institution who do extra with us. And now we have [technical difficulty] new cell major clients. Then it is about them doing extra with us once they’re within the financial institution. So should you have a look at the funding accounts, we elevated and I instructed on the capital markets that now we have roughly 4.5 million funding accounts on a complete of 40 million clients. In order that’s solely, for instance, 11%. So there’s nothing unsuitable with it. However meaning there’s numerous upside. And that grew over the previous yr with 8% and this quarter with 3%. Then in insurance coverage, as a result of we do extra, and we additionally made particular agreements with insurance coverage suppliers in several markets for personal people, however now additionally beginning in enterprise banking, nonetheless comparatively small. We additionally now are promoting extra bespoke insurance coverage merchandise to our clients, which we didn’t do prior to now. So we begin from a really low base. And as I mentioned beforehand, there may be much more we are able to do with our clients. We simply want to supply it to them and begin providing it to them, which we began to do additionally a bit extra in insurance coverage charges. And that is why you see the rise coming from. And the identical goes for every day banking, the place in some nations, there have been some will increase in value packages. After which on high of it, and that is extra, for instance, the beta facet of the story. Like I instructed you, there may be some restoration within the mortgage markets, within the varied markets, and likewise in Germany and Netherlands. And subsequently, you see that now we have a bit extra mortgage charges than we had within the earlier quarter. In order that’s step by step recovering again. However numerous issues should do, to summarize, by simply doing extra with our clients and providing extra bespoke options to them within the fields of investments and insurance coverage. Ljiljana, threat prices.
Ljiljana Cortan: Whats up, and good morning. Sure, the chance prices had been EUR300 million, or if we have a look at the web quantity, it is 18 bps by way of the cycle. Overlays are being made once we consider our fashions will not be in a position to seize absolutely the chance that we see within the setting. And they’re for use as soon as these dangers occur, or they’re to be launched if we do not see these dangers occur. So additionally the typical calculation of by way of the cycle, threat price consists of all the time overlays. In the case of the precise Russian influence this quarter, you’ll have seen the uptick, I’d say, in S3, so Stage 3 provisions. And from Russia, that uptick is roughly EUR133 million on the facet of the S3, in order that’s why enhance. Nevertheless, there may be as effectively a partial offset on the Stage 2 influence. Internet influence on Russia is EUR39 million further threat prices this quarter.
Hugh Moorhead: Nice, thanks very a lot.
Operator: We’ll now take our subsequent query from Farquhar Murray of Autonomous. Your line is open, please go forward.
Farquhar Murray: Morning all, simply two questions, if I’ll. Firstly, simply going again on the mannequin updates, EUR6.5 billion of RWA, which elements of the mannequin or lending books did that come from? And by way of the separate mitigating actions, may we simply, it needs to be anticipated price from these? After which secondly, as we transfer right into a chopping cycle, what’s ING’s philosophy going to be on deposit pricing? I believe on the way in which up, you characterised it as a sluggish follower. Is ING prepared to maneuver the opposite approach on the way in which down? Thanks.
Steven van Rijswijk: All proper, I take the query on the deposit cycle or the chopping cycle. After which Ljiljana talks concerning the mannequin updates. I imply, clearly, we can not say something of our, about our technique by way of our deposit charges going ahead. Clearly, certainly, relying on whether or not we develop and wish to develop in clients and make our revenue there, it is an financial place we tackle it. So in the long run, it is a balancing between will we wish to have extra clients on who we in complete then, as a result of now we have extra clients earn more money? Or will we have an effect by leaving charges as they’re or reducing them and subsequently earn more money or much less clients? And that is simply an financial equation, which we won’t repeatedly calibrate. Now we have been in a interval whereby charges moved up in a short time. After which in some unspecified time in the future, rivals began beginning to transfer. And there now we have seen that in markets the place you usually see that as a challenger, we develop our clients in a short time. We begin with advertising and marketing actions and typically charges increased a bit faster to get these clients in. And in markets the place that isn’t the case, we maintain it way more steady. And we’re in place in virtually all of the markets by which we function. So we can be nimble by way of our approaches, relying on the place we wish to develop and the place we wish to be steady by way of our share or our complete stability sheet. And that is how we take it. That is all I wish to say about that going ahead.
Ljiljana Cortan: Good morning. On the mannequin updates, sure, the replace comes from really varied fashions, however the majority one comes from the low default portfolio within the wholesale banking house.
Farquhar Murray: And is there any price to the mitigating actions?
Ljiljana Cortan: There are threat switch mitigating actions. As I say, these are the low default portfolios. So there may be quite a lot of devices accessible additionally out there and internally to handle these.
Steven van Rijswijk: The query is, are there prices to the mitigating actions?
Tanate Phutrakul: Farquhar, we have a look at three elements of a pyramid, proper? We have a look at income trajectory, risk-weighted asset and return on fairness. And we’ll discover a option to optimize. We anticipate the influence from a income perspective to be minor by way of managing our risk-weighted belongings on this specific level.
Farquhar Murray: All proper. Thanks very a lot.
Operator: Thanks. There aren’t any additional questions in case. I’ll now hand it again to Steven van Rijswijk for closing remarks. Thanks.
Steven van Rijswijk: Good. Thanks very a lot for listening in and for the decision on the second quarter of 2024. I want you a fantastic summer season. I hope that you just nonetheless have a while to take a while off and go on vacation. And I am certain we’ll converse once more on the third quarter. Thanks very a lot.
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